About the New Artist Alias Voting System...

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- Fulvian said...
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- 25 Mar 2008, 18:52
About the New Artist Alias Voting System...

First, I'd like to say that this new feature looks great, seems a lot more promising than just ranting in Get Your Damn Tags Right group every single day.

We can vote on "The Goo Goo Dolls" on Goo Goo Dolls page, vote on "The Pussycat Dolls" on Pussycat Dolls page, vote on "Seether" on Seether (Feat. Amy Lee) page, etc. etc.

Anyway I'm still a bit confused on which we are supposed to vote on cases like Pink and P!nk, where P!nk is often mistagged as Pink, but not vice versa. Should we vote on P!nk on Pink page? because there are many P!nk tracks there (they're even streamable), but in the other hands there are other artists named Pink, so which we should vote on?

and if we hover the mouse pointer over one of the choice, there's a tooltip saying "Confidence: <some decimal numbers>", what's that?

Oh btw thanks for mentioning Guns N' Roses naming variations on the blog, that really made me ROFL like crazy :D

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[quote][b][user]Fulvian[/user][/b] said: First, I'd like to say that this new feature looks great, seems a lot more promising than just ranting in [group]Get Your Damn Tags Right[/group] group every single day. We can vote on "The Goo Goo Dolls" on [artist]Goo Goo Dolls[/artist] page, vote on "The Pussycat Dolls" on [artist]Pussycat Dolls[/artist] page, vote on "Seether" on [artist]Seether (Feat. Amy Lee)[/artist] page, etc. etc. Anyway I'm still a bit confused on which we are supposed to vote on cases like [artist]Pink[/artist] and [artist]P!nk[/artist], where [artist]P!nk[/artist] is often mistagged as [artist]Pink[/artist], but not vice versa. Should we vote on [artist]P!nk[/artist] on [artist]Pink[/artist] page? because there are many [artist]P!nk[/artist] tracks there (they're even streamable), but in the other hands there are other artists named [artist]Pink[/artist], so which we should vote on? and if we hover the mouse pointer over one of the choice, there's a tooltip saying "Confidence: <some decimal numbers>", what's that? Oh btw thanks for mentioning [url=http://cdn.last.fm/rj/gnr_altspellings.txt]Guns N' Roses naming variations[/url] on the blog, that really made me ROFL like crazy :D[/quote]

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- neverlandean said...
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- 25 Mar 2008, 18:59
LOL I was about to ask that.
And what about KT Tunstall were the first two choices are the same - at least to my eyes.

[quote][b][user]neverlandean[/user][/b] said: LOL I was about to ask that. And what about [artist]KT Tunstall[/artist] were the first two choices are the same - at least to my eyes.[/quote]

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- dankine said...
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- 25 Mar 2008, 19:11
i assume confidence is how sure they are that the data they have is correct.

'Maybe living and dying are the same thing, maybe the fact that we turn them into two different things is why we feel so lost.'

[quote][b][user]dankine[/user][/b] said: i assume confidence is how sure they are that the data they have is correct.[/quote]

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- stevekeiretsu said...
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- 25 Mar 2008, 20:02
this may be a little OT here but it's the first time I've heard of this, just checking the blog entry and saw this:

> Maybe the ability to correct your crappy tags, if it’s accurate enough, and there is demand for it.

This seems... odd. Because I'd swear last.fm already rewrote ("corrected") my tags sometimes.

The case (problem) I have seen is (was) with Afro Celt Sound System.

Since they've put out 3 or 4 cds under that name, one as "The Afro Celts", and zero as Afro Celts, my tags were accordingly "Afro Celt Sound System".

These were all rewritten on the fly by last.fm to "Afro Celts". Wrongly. Annoyingly. I think I ranted about it in the shoutbox.

Until sometime in or after August last year, when they seemed to silently turn off this behaviour: my "Afro Celts" total remained frozen forever at 83 and my "Afro Celt Sound System" count has begun to trickle upwards.

Kind of annoying, for the OCD-stat-geek-pedant in me, for mucking with the overall chart integrity.

So it seems weird to talk about this feature being a possibility given demand, when it's already been going on?

Still, good to hear there may be a future way of consolidating this sort of thing. I have also done almost exactly same thing to myself by scrobbling a load of 70s Herbie Hancock under the technically non-existent artist name of Herbie Hancock and The Headhunters, with a similarly wrongifying effect on my overall chart

[quote][b][user]stevekeiretsu[/user][/b] said: this may be a little OT here but it's the first time I've heard of this, just checking the blog entry and saw this: > Maybe the ability to correct your crappy tags, if it’s accurate enough, and there is demand for it. This seems... odd. Because I'd swear last.fm already rewrote ("corrected") my tags sometimes. The case (problem) I have seen is (was) with [artist]Afro Celt Sound System[/artist]. Since they've put out 3 or 4 cds under that name, one as "The Afro Celts", and zero as [artist]Afro Celts[/artist], my tags were accordingly "Afro Celt Sound System". These were all rewritten on the fly by last.fm to "Afro Celts". Wrongly. Annoyingly. I think I ranted about it in the shoutbox. Until sometime in or after August last year, when they seemed to silently turn off this behaviour: my "Afro Celts" total remained frozen forever at 83 and my "Afro Celt Sound System" count has begun to trickle upwards. Kind of annoying, for the OCD-stat-geek-pedant in me, for mucking with the overall chart integrity. So it seems weird to talk about this feature being a possibility given demand, when it's already been going on? Still, good to hear there may be a future way of consolidating this sort of thing. I have also done almost exactly same thing to myself by scrobbling a load of 70s [artist]Herbie Hancock[/artist] under the technically non-existent artist name of [artist]Herbie Hancock and the Headhunters[/artist], with a similarly wrongifying effect on my overall chart[/quote]

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- DiamondDave said...
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- 25 Mar 2008, 20:08
That was probably due to an old merge from years ago that was removed (same thing noticably redirected Anti to Anti-Flag). This is the first step toward a new and better system (hopefully).

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[quote][b][user]DiamondDave[/user][/b] said: That was probably due to an old merge from years ago that was removed (same thing noticably redirected [artist]Anti[/artist] to [artist]Anti-flag[/artist]). This is the first step toward a new and better system (hopefully).[/quote]

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- gadgetchannel said...
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- 25 Mar 2008, 20:11
stevekeiretsu said:
this may be a little OT here but it's the first time I've heard of this, just checking the blog entry and saw this:

> Maybe the ability to correct your crappy tags, if it’s accurate enough, and there is demand for it.

This seems... odd. Because I'd swear last.fm already rewrote ("corrected") my tags sometimes.

I think that by "correct your crappy tags", they don't actually mean correction on the server side (which the old moderations do, and is one of the main purposes of the fingerprinting) but the possibility of an option to correct the actual tags in your files (acting like the MusicBrainz tagger).

[quote][b][user]gadgetchannel[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]stevekeiretsu[/user][/b] said: this may be a little OT here but it's the first time I've heard of this, just checking the blog entry and saw this: > Maybe the ability to correct your crappy tags, if it’s accurate enough, and there is demand for it. This seems... odd. Because I'd swear last.fm already rewrote ("corrected") my tags sometimes. [/quote] I think that by "correct your crappy tags", they don't actually mean correction on the server side (which the old moderations do, and is one of the main purposes of the fingerprinting) but the possibility of an option to correct the actual tags in your files (acting like the MusicBrainz tagger). [/quote]

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- stevekeiretsu said...
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- 25 Mar 2008, 20:36
@gadgetchannel - ah, that makes a lot of sense, i feel a bit silly now!

@diamonddave - yeah good to see these developments - predictably, typing the post made me go visit the pages and lo and behold there were the vote options - and vote I duly did :)

[quote][b][user]stevekeiretsu[/user][/b] said: @gadgetchannel - ah, that makes a lot of sense, i feel a bit silly now! @diamonddave - yeah good to see these developments - predictably, typing the post made me go visit the pages and lo and behold there were the vote options - and vote I duly did :)[/quote]

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- bossponkan said...
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- 25 Mar 2008, 22:05
It would be nice if there's a version of this for incorrectly tagged songs. Great idea by the way.

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[quote][b][user]bossponkan[/user][/b] said: It would be nice if there's a version of this for incorrectly tagged songs. Great idea by the way.[/quote]

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- xspikex said...
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- 25 Mar 2008, 22:20
Let`s just hope the people don`t mess it up again.

[quote][b][user]xspikex[/user][/b] said: Let`s just hope the people don`t mess it up again.[/quote]

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- KILLINSTINCT said...
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- 25 Mar 2008, 23:06
Thank you for this new function so we can once for all can get rid of all this "TAG IT RIGHT!!"-comments.

But when you come to japanese artist, they have often 2 or 3 different artistpages here.

For example, Merry and メリー, but in the "Vote"-list, Merry isn't voteable in メリー-page, and so on. And thats a loooot of japanese bands that often are tagged wrong. Maybe when you schoose "None of the names above" maybe you can link to another page or something? :S

Another one is girugamesh girugämesh and ギルガメッシュ All three is the same band, but you can't vote for the right one in all three pages..

It would be great to merge all this pages with the same artist into one, ones for all!

[quote][b][user]KILLINSTINCT[/user][/b] said: Thank you for this new function so we can once for all can get rid of all this "TAG IT RIGHT!!"-comments. But when you come to japanese artist, they have often 2 or 3 different artistpages here. For example, [artist]Merry[/artist] and [artist]メリー[/artist], but in the "Vote"-list, [artist]Merry[/artist] isn't voteable in [artist]メリー[/artist]-page, and so on. And thats a loooot of japanese bands that often are tagged wrong. Maybe when you schoose "None of the names above" maybe you can link to another page or something? :S Another one is [artist]girugamesh[/artist] [artist]girugämesh[/artist] and [artist]ギルガメッシュ[/artist] All three is the same band, but you can't vote for the right one in all three pages.. It would be great to merge all this pages with the same artist into one, ones for all! [/quote]

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- ChudleyCannons said...
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- 25 Mar 2008, 23:16
bossponkan said:
It would be nice if there's a version of this for incorrectly tagged songs. Great idea by the way.

I agree. There are some tracks out there that are just wrong (read, wrong artist), and thousands of scrobbles. Which is kind of sickening. The Arcade Fire/Arcade Fire used to be the same and my tracks all being Arcade Fire I had to retag as The Arcade Fire after the split because otherwise my stats were frozen as well. And last.fm helps OCD-Statistic lovers maintain the level of insanity.

Though I did get a kick out of Darren Jessee's page asking me if he was Ben Folds.

[quote][b][user]ChudleyCannons[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]bossponkan[/user][/b] said: It would be nice if there's a version of this for incorrectly tagged songs. Great idea by the way.[/quote] I agree. There are some tracks out there that are just wrong (read, wrong artist), and thousands of scrobbles. Which is kind of sickening. The Arcade Fire/Arcade Fire used to be the same and my tracks all being Arcade Fire I had to retag as The Arcade Fire after the split because otherwise my stats were frozen as well. And last.fm helps OCD-Statistic lovers maintain the level of insanity. Though I did get a kick out of Darren Jessee's page asking me if he was Ben Folds.[/quote]

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- DifferentStars said...
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- 25 Mar 2008, 23:46
The new voting sytem is great. I do have a question about the capitalization. The Flitch page is shared by two artists. One of them is spelled FLitCH , the other Flitch - but I can't vote for any option there. Is this a case for the current voting system?

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[quote][b][user]DifferentStars[/user][/b] said: The new voting sytem is great. I do have a question about the capitalization. The [artist]Flitch[/artist] page is shared by two artists. One of them is spelled FLitCH , the other Flitch - but I can't vote for any option there. Is this a case for the current voting system?[/quote]

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- said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 07:31
I'm pleased to see this finally arrive. One thing that's been bugging me for ages is Afghan Whigs, when every single recording they've ever released has been credited to The Afghan Whigs, yet this is not an option in the voting.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: I'm pleased to see this finally arrive. One thing that's been bugging me for ages is [artist]Afghan Whigs[/artist], when every single recording they've ever released has been credited to The Afghan Whigs, yet this is not an option in the voting.[/quote]

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- LeftOfLeftfield said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 07:56
KILLINSTINCT said:
But when you come to japanese artist, they have often 2 or 3 different artistpages here.
I know what you mean. There's separate pages for Takkyu Ishino and 石野卓球, as well as Denki Groove and 電気グルーヴ. I hate having to tag my stuff with Japanese characters just so the streamable songs will scrobble properly.

It would be great to merge all this pages with the same artist into one, ones for all!
I agree. I'd like to see a merge option too.

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[quote][b][user]LeftOfLeftfield[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]KILLINSTINCT[/user][/b] said: But when you come to japanese artist, they have often 2 or 3 different artistpages here.[/quote] I know what you mean. There's separate pages for [artist]Takkyu Ishino[/artist] and [artist]石野卓球[/artist], as well as [artist]Denki Groove[/artist] and [artist]電気グルーヴ[/artist]. I hate having to tag my stuff with Japanese characters just so the streamable songs will scrobble properly. [quote]It would be great to merge all this pages with the same artist into one, ones for all! [/quote] I agree. I'd like to see a merge option too.[/quote]

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- LilTheater said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 08:47
Nice feature

But: Kyau vs. Albert

They are rarely, if ever, called "Kyau and Albert". It should be "Kyau & Albert" on the voting list instead, which is how they're now named.

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[quote][b][user]LilTheater[/user][/b] said: But: [artist]Kyau vs. Albert[/artist] They are rarely, if ever, called "[url=http://www.discogs.com/artist/Kyau+%26+Albert?anv=Kyau+And+Albert]Kyau and Albert[/url]". It should be "Kyau & Albert" on the voting list instead, which is how they're now named.[/quote]

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- square_m said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 09:16
dear support,

where we can find status of voting for particular artist?
and how can i add a correct artist name to vote list? (for example http://www.last.fm/music/Steve+Roach+and+Robert+Rich has no such vote link at all)

thank you,
maksim

[quote][b][user]square_m[/user][/b] said: dear support, where we can find status of voting for particular artist? and how can i add a correct artist name to vote list? (for example http://www.last.fm/music/Steve+Roach+and+Robert+Rich has no such vote link at all) thank you, maksim[/quote]

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- Meldoicstorm said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 12:37
finally they have something to show for a 'better' system here.

Hey now they can try a 'better' system with wiki's like *cough* WSE *cough* no?

hehe.

Thanks for this, it thinks my artist is incorrect because of my friend playing Waking The Cadaver songs tagged as Melodic Storm. LOL. even though there is an actual band called MS.

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[quote][b][user]Meldoicstorm[/user][/b] said: finally they have something to show for a 'better' system here. Hey now they can try a 'better' system with wiki's like *cough* WSE *cough* no? hehe. Thanks for this, it thinks my artist is incorrect because of my friend playing [artist]Waking the Cadaver[/artist] songs tagged as [artist]Melodic Storm[/artist]. LOL. even though there is an actual band called MS.[/quote]

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- erikfrey said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 12:44
@Fulvian, good question about Pink vs P!nk. At this level, voting is used to identify -distinct- artists, so as long as Pink (the 80s new wave band from Japan) and P!nk are separate artists, you should vote for Pink on the Pink page, and vote for P!nk on the P!nk page.

Separating out albums and tracks is a separate step we'll handle next!

To those who mentioned, we definitely plan to merge international names and make them as eligible for voting... keep an eye out :)

[quote][b][user]erikfrey[/user][/b] said: @Fulvian, good question about Pink vs P!nk. At this level, voting is used to identify -distinct- artists, so as long as Pink (the 80s new wave band from Japan) and P!nk are separate artists, you should vote for Pink on the Pink page, and vote for P!nk on the P!nk page. Separating out albums and tracks is a separate step we'll handle next! To those who mentioned, we definitely plan to merge international names and make them as eligible for voting... keep an eye out :)[/quote]

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- hirrnlego said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 12:54
Like square_m said - I'd also like to add the right name into the "none of the above" - e.g. Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo aren't here at all - and it's the only right name for the band - no "Danny Elfman & The Mystic Knights bla bla" or any other of the given choices.

[quote][b][user]hirrnlego[/user][/b] said: Like square_m said - I'd also like to add the right name into the "none of the above" - e.g. Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo aren't here at all - and it's the only right name for the band - no "Danny Elfman & The Mystic Knights bla bla" or any other of the given choices.[/quote]

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- P-Werchowenskij said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 13:36
I hate that feature!

Since when can people vote for what's right or wrong?

And why shall I vote between
'Ike & Tina Turner' and 'Tina Turner'
'Pavlov's Dog' and 'Pavlov's Dog 2000'
'Bruce Springsteen' or 'Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band'
'Steve Morse' or 'Steve Morse Band'
and so on

That's always two completely different things.

[quote][b][user]P-Werchowenskij[/user][/b] said: I hate that feature! Since when can people vote for what's right or wrong? And why shall I vote between 'Ike & Tina Turner' and 'Tina Turner' 'Pavlov's Dog' and 'Pavlov's Dog 2000' 'Bruce Springsteen' or 'Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band' 'Steve Morse' or 'Steve Morse Band' and so on That's always two completely different things.[/quote]

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- Meldoicstorm said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 14:00
P-Werchowenskij said:
I hate that feature!

Since when can people vote for what's right or wrong?

And why shall I vote between
'Ike & Tina Turner' and 'Tina Turner'
'Pavlov's Dog' and 'Pavlov's Dog 2000'
'Bruce Springsteen' or 'Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band'
'Steve Morse' or 'Steve Morse Band'
and so on

That's always two completely different things.

I see what you mean.
We have voted all through history for what's 'right' and 'wrong'.
Changing morales as we go.
With voting for the Athenian laws in ancient athens is different than now.
With voting the NSDAP in to the Weimar in 1933 and Hitler a year later coming a Fuhrer of Germany.
Voting for 'right' and 'wrong' depends on the person morales rather than the actual status of wether it is actually 'right' or 'wrong'.

Remember GUYZ there is 'no "right" or "wrong" answer' (unless you say anything that is morally wrong in this society.) LOL.

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[quote][b][user]Meldoicstorm[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]P-Werchowenskij[/user][/b] said: I hate that feature! Since when can people vote for what's right or wrong? And why shall I vote between 'Ike & Tina Turner' and 'Tina Turner' 'Pavlov's Dog' and 'Pavlov's Dog 2000' 'Bruce Springsteen' or 'Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band' 'Steve Morse' or 'Steve Morse Band' and so on That's always two completely different things.[/quote] I see what you mean. We have voted all through history for what's 'right' and 'wrong'. Changing morales as we go. With voting for the Athenian laws in ancient athens is different than now. With voting the NSDAP in to the Weimar in 1933 and Hitler a year later coming a Fuhrer of Germany. Voting for 'right' and 'wrong' depends on the person morales rather than the actual status of wether it is actually 'right' or 'wrong'. Remember GUYZ there is 'no "right" or "wrong" answer' (unless you say anything that is morally wrong in this society.) LOL.[/quote]

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- dankine said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 14:16
Meldoicstorm said:
P-Werchowenskij said:
I hate that feature!

Since when can people vote for what's right or wrong?

And why shall I vote between
'Ike & Tina Turner' and 'Tina Turner'
'Pavlov's Dog' and 'Pavlov's Dog 2000'
'Bruce Springsteen' or 'Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band'
'Steve Morse' or 'Steve Morse Band'
and so on

That's always two completely different things.

I see what you mean.
We have voted all through history for what's 'right' and 'wrong'.
Changing morales as we go.
With voting for the Athenian laws in ancient athens is different than now.
With voting the NSDAP in to the Weimar in 1933 and Hitler a year later coming a Fuhrer of Germany.
Voting for 'right' and 'wrong' depends on the person morales rather than the actual status of wether it is actually 'right' or 'wrong'.

Remember GUYZ there is 'no "right" or "wrong" answer' (unless you say anything that is morally wrong in this society.) LOL.

please stop typing.

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[quote][b][user]dankine[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Meldoicstorm[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]P-Werchowenskij[/user][/b] said: I hate that feature! Since when can people vote for what's right or wrong? And why shall I vote between 'Ike & Tina Turner' and 'Tina Turner' 'Pavlov's Dog' and 'Pavlov's Dog 2000' 'Bruce Springsteen' or 'Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band' 'Steve Morse' or 'Steve Morse Band' and so on That's always two completely different things.[/quote] I see what you mean. We have voted all through history for what's 'right' and 'wrong'. Changing morales as we go. With voting for the Athenian laws in ancient athens is different than now. With voting the NSDAP in to the Weimar in 1933 and Hitler a year later coming a Fuhrer of Germany. Voting for 'right' and 'wrong' depends on the person morales rather than the actual status of wether it is actually 'right' or 'wrong'. Remember GUYZ there is 'no "right" or "wrong" answer' (unless you say anything that is morally wrong in this society.) LOL.[/quote] please stop typing. [/quote]

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- square_m said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 14:21
@P-Werchowenskij, do you really think that Noisia & Teebee, Noisia And Teebee, Noisia & Dj Teebee, Teebee & Noisia are completely different things? It's just personal preferred style of naming, but stats are separated, that is not so good.

[quote][b][user]square_m[/user][/b] said: @P-Werchowenskij, do you really think that [artist]Noisia & Teebee[/artist], [artist]Noisia and Teebee[/artist], [artist]Noisia & DJ Teebee[/artist], [artist]Teebee & Noisia[/artist] are completely different things? It's just personal preferred style of naming, but stats are separated, that is not so good.[/quote]

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- viktorkrumfan01 said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 14:23
what about The Beatles?
where can i vote for their correct name?

T-R-I-C-K-!

[quote][b][user]viktorkrumfan01[/user][/b] said: what about The Beatles? where can i vote for their correct name?[/quote]

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- P-Werchowenskij said...
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- 26 Mar 2008, 14:41
@ square_m:
I'm not interested, how this is spelled correctly, I don't know this musicians, but how about asking themselves?

[quote][b][user]P-Werchowenskij[/user][/b] said: @ square_m: I'm not interested, how this is spelled correctly, I don't know this musicians, but how about asking themselves?[/quote]

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