Last.fm changes the case of tags (incorrectly)

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- maulofsound said...
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- 26 Aug 2008, 17:20
Studogvetmed said:
maulofsound said:
Studogvetmed said:
@Maul of Sound: Pierced Arrows: Musicbrainz doesn't agree, though their discography appears all caps, there news area, media area, etc does not. I think this is a case of art, and not artists intent. Did standar first letter caps

Zola Jesus - not convinced, no musicbrainz entry

Pintandwefall - not convinced, musicbrainz doesn't agree. I'm not a fan of myspace as proof in general.

Hmm, i tend to trust myspace since it's actually the bands typing all this stuff out, i figure they'd know how they want their name to appear, so that's where i'm coming from with it.

I appreciate the standard caps on Zola Jesus and Pierced Arrows, i agree that there's not much to go on with ZJ and Pierced Arrows vary between normal and caps, so who knows. I'm glad that they're not lowercase anymore, at any rate.

As for pintandwefall, their website also spells their name in all caps (scroll to the bottom).

Anyway, thanks for all the fixes!

If you can get a moderation pushed through for pintandwefall on musicbrainz I'm all for it. Since it says otherwise there, it contradicts the artists possible intent. If you can convince the musicbrainz community I'm for it here.

The reason I don't necessarily like myspace for proof, even though it may be the real artist, is that I think they sometimes may go a little overboard with artistic look beyond real intent, especially if they aren't consistent with other releases, etc. But I do see where you are coming from.

Cheers.

PS: Got Marrs70 recent request.

Meh, if past experiences hold true now, it takes forever to do the moderation thing on musicbrainz, plus it's not really that big of a deal.

I get you on the myspace thing, and for future capitalization questions, i'll check musicbrainz first, the thought hadn't even occurred to me until you mentioned it.

Cheers!

[quote][b][user]maulofsound[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Studogvetmed[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]maulofsound[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Studogvetmed[/user][/b] said: @Maul of Sound: Pierced Arrows: Musicbrainz doesn't agree, though their discography appears all caps, there news area, media area, etc does not. I think this is a case of art, and not artists intent. Did standar first letter caps Zola Jesus - not convinced, no musicbrainz entry Pintandwefall - not convinced, musicbrainz doesn't agree. I'm not a fan of myspace as proof in general.[/quote] Hmm, i tend to trust myspace since it's actually the bands typing all this stuff out, i figure they'd know how they want their name to appear, so that's where i'm coming from with it. I appreciate the standard caps on Zola Jesus and Pierced Arrows, i agree that there's not much to go on with ZJ and Pierced Arrows vary between normal and caps, so who knows. I'm glad that they're not lowercase anymore, at any rate. As for pintandwefall, [url=http://www.pintandwefall.com/singalong.htm]their website[/url] also spells their name in all caps (scroll to the bottom). Anyway, thanks for all the fixes! [/quote] If you can get a moderation pushed through for pintandwefall on musicbrainz I'm all for it. Since it says otherwise there, it contradicts the artists possible intent. If you can convince the musicbrainz community I'm for it here. The reason I don't necessarily like myspace for proof, even though it may be the real artist, is that I think they sometimes may go a little overboard with artistic look beyond real intent, especially if they aren't consistent with other releases, etc. But I do see where you are coming from. Cheers. PS: Got Marrs70 recent request.[/quote] Meh, if past experiences hold true now, it takes forever to do the moderation thing on musicbrainz, plus it's not really that big of a deal. I get you on the myspace thing, and for future capitalization questions, i'll check musicbrainz first, the thought hadn't even occurred to me until you mentioned it. Cheers![/quote]

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- KILLINSTINCT said...
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- 26 Aug 2008, 17:58
Thanks for changing the titles!

When it comes to Japanese titles, their official homepage is the best site to look at when it comes to type the titles.. Musicbrainz have too many uncorrect titles! Thanks!
Usually, I ask the Moderator TheMannen here on Last.fm when it comes to uncorrect tags, but I don't want to ask him too much!

[quote][b][user]KILLINSTINCT[/user][/b] said: Thanks for changing the titles! When it comes to Japanese titles, their official homepage is the best site to look at when it comes to type the titles.. Musicbrainz have too many uncorrect titles! Thanks! Usually, I ask the Moderator TheMannen here on Last.fm when it comes to uncorrect tags, but I don't want to ask him too much![/quote]

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- Studogvetmed said...
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- 26 Aug 2008, 18:02
KILLINSTINCT said:
Thanks for changing the titles!

When it comes to Japanese titles, their official homepage is the best site to look at when it comes to type the titles.. Musicbrainz have too many uncorrect titles! Thanks!
Usually, I ask the Moderator TheMannen here on Last.fm when it comes to uncorrect tags, but I don't want to ask him too much!

If musicbrainz is incorrect you should push changes through there! Last.fm wants to use musicbrainz data. Help the community!

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[quote][b][user]Studogvetmed[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]KILLINSTINCT[/user][/b] said: Thanks for changing the titles! When it comes to Japanese titles, their official homepage is the best site to look at when it comes to type the titles.. Musicbrainz have too many uncorrect titles! Thanks! Usually, I ask the Moderator TheMannen here on Last.fm when it comes to uncorrect tags, but I don't want to ask him too much![/quote] If musicbrainz is incorrect you should push changes through there! Last.fm wants to use musicbrainz data. Help the community![/quote]

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- runwithvampires said...
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- 26 Aug 2008, 21:54
ghozza said:
runwithvampires said:
a few capitalisations

Almost Lover (live) --> Almost Lover (Live)

Come On, Come Out (live) --> Come On, Come Out (Live)

The Well (demo) --> The Well (Demo)

Those are fine as they are... (live) and (demo) are never capitalized! just as (remix) or (edit) or (version) etc...

runwithvampires said:
you're the one that i want --> You're The One That I Want

Should be "You're the One That I Want"

Yeah I wasn't 100% sure about "You're the One That I Want" to be honest. I did look it up but I got about three different variations so I went with the most used one.

I've always seen tags as (Live) etc :\ e.g. here and here and on iTunes (e.g. search for Paramore).

[quote][b][user]runwithvampires[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]ghozza[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]runwithvampires[/user][/b] said: a few capitalisations [url=http://www.last.fm/music/A+Fine+Frenzy/_/Almost+Lover+%28live%29]Almost Lover (live)[/url] --> Almost Lover (Live) [url=http://www.last.fm/music/A+Fine+Frenzy/_/Come+On%2C+Come+Out+%28live%29]Come On, Come Out (live)[/url] --> Come On, Come Out (Live) [url=http://www.last.fm/music/A+Fine+Frenzy/_/The+Well+%28demo%29]The Well (demo)[/url] --> The Well (Demo) [/quote] Those are fine as they are... (live) and (demo) are never capitalized! just as (remix) or (edit) or (version) etc... [quote][b][user]runwithvampires[/user][/b] said: [url=http://www.last.fm/music/McFly/_/you%27re+the+one+that+i+want]you're the one that i want[/url] --> You're The One That I Want[/quote] Should be "You're the One That I Want" [/quote] Yeah I wasn't 100% sure about "You're the One That I Want" to be honest. I did look it up but I got about three different variations so I went with the most used one. I've always seen tags as (Live) etc :\ e.g. [url=http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?sku=831377]here[/url] and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot!]here[/url] and on iTunes (e.g. search for Paramore). [/quote]
Edited by runwithvampires on 26 Aug 2008, 22:09

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- marrs70 said...
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- 26 Aug 2008, 21:59
live and demo are lowercase... so also acoustic, reprise, edit, remix, intro, outro, ouverture etc.

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[quote][b][user]marrs70[/user][/b] said: live and demo are lowercase... so also acoustic, reprise, edit, remix, intro, outro, ouverture etc.[/quote]

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- runwithvampires said...
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- 26 Aug 2008, 22:01
How come, though?

edit: Oh and on MusicBrainz they're capitalised too: here.

[quote][b][user]runwithvampires[/user][/b] said: How come, though? edit: Oh and on MusicBrainz they're capitalised too: [url=http://musicbrainz.org/release/c761d8b5-9758-45fc-933f-09a5ae34bb38.html]here[/url].[/quote]

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- Studogvetmed said...
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- 26 Aug 2008, 23:06
runwithvampires said:
How come, though?

edit: Oh and on MusicBrainz they're capitalised too: here.

Because that was the style guidelines that the musicbrainz community presented. If there is capatilized things on musicbrainz it must have been automods that made it through initial adding to the community and should be changed.

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[quote][b][user]Studogvetmed[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]runwithvampires[/user][/b] said: How come, though? edit: Oh and on MusicBrainz they're capitalised too: [url=http://musicbrainz.org/release/c761d8b5-9758-45fc-933f-09a5ae34bb38.html]here[/url].[/quote] Because that was the style guidelines that the musicbrainz community presented. If there is capatilized things on musicbrainz it must have been automods that made it through initial adding to the community and should be changed.[/quote]

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- maulofsound said...
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- 27 Aug 2008, 02:42
Please change Neo Boys to Neo Boys.

Proof.

Thanks!

[quote][b][user]maulofsound[/user][/b] said: Please change [artist]Neo boys[/artist] to Neo Boys. [url=http://musicbrainz.org/artist/8440fa90-d716-4c36-9546-16382a7e2e11.html]Proof[/url]. Thanks![/quote]

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- oeillet said...
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- 27 Aug 2008, 10:08
oeillet said:
Blue Suede Shoes
Cut Across Shorty
Drive In Show
Hallelujah, I Love Her So
Sweetie Pie
Teenage Heaven

i don't know what's going on, but these songs went back to their incorrect state.

also, these two songs need to be properly capitalized:
My Foolish Heart
Today I Sing the Blues

[quote][b][user]oeillet[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]oeillet[/user][/b] said: [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Eddie+Cochran/_/Blue+suede+shoes]Blue Suede Shoes[/url] [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Eddie+Cochran/_/Cut+across+shorty]Cut Across Shorty[/url] [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Eddie+Cochran/_/Drive+in+show]Drive In Show[/url] [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Eddie+Cochran/_/Hallelujah%2C+I+love+her+so]Hallelujah, I Love Her So[/url] [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Eddie+Cochran/_/Sweetie+pie]Sweetie Pie[/url] [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Eddie+Cochran/_/Teenage+heaven]Teenage Heaven[/url][/quote] i don't know what's going on, but these songs went back to their incorrect state. also, these two songs need to be properly capitalized: [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Sam+Cooke/_/my+foolish+heart]My Foolish Heart[/url] [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Sam+Cooke/_/today+i+sing+the+blues]Today I Sing the Blues[/url][/quote]

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- runwithvampires said...
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- 27 Aug 2008, 16:00
Studogvetmed said:
runwithvampires said:
How come, though?

edit: Oh and on MusicBrainz they're capitalised too: here.

Because that was the style guidelines that the musicbrainz community presented. If there is capatilized things on musicbrainz it must have been automods that made it through initial adding to the community and should be changed.

Alright :]

[quote][b][user]runwithvampires[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Studogvetmed[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]runwithvampires[/user][/b] said: How come, though? edit: Oh and on MusicBrainz they're capitalised too: [url=http://musicbrainz.org/release/c761d8b5-9758-45fc-933f-09a5ae34bb38.html]here[/url].[/quote] Because that was the style guidelines that the musicbrainz community presented. If there is capatilized things on musicbrainz it must have been automods that made it through initial adding to the community and should be changed.[/quote] Alright :] [/quote]

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- ghozza said...
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- 27 Aug 2008, 19:04
Está Loco >>> Está Loco
Frank Vander Linden >>> Frank Vander Linden (Vander is capitalized because that's the custom in Belgium; in the Netherlands it would be "vander Linden", but the dude is Belgian... anyway it is the "L" that needs capitalizing)
in my previous post you forgot: Bunch of Gurus >>> Bunch of Gurus

thx for the work you're doing ... i don't understand why last.fm doesn't recruit last.fm-users to fix some of these capitalisation-issues ... it would safe you moderators a lot of work and some users would consider it fun!

'There is no terror in the bang, only in the anticipation of it.' -Alfred Hitchcock- ♥

[quote][b][user]ghozza[/user][/b] said: [artist]está loco[/artist] >>> Está Loco [artist]frank vander linden[/artist] >>> Frank Vander Linden (Vander is capitalized because that's the custom in Belgium; in the Netherlands it would be "vander Linden", but the dude is Belgian... anyway it is the "L" that needs capitalizing) in my previous post you forgot: [artist]bunch of gurus[/artist] >>> Bunch of Gurus thx for the work you're doing ... i don't understand why last.fm doesn't recruit last.fm-users to fix some of these capitalisation-issues ... it would safe you moderators a lot of work and some users would consider it fun![/quote]

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- marrs70 said...
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- 27 Aug 2008, 19:14
ghozza said:
i don't understand why last.fm doesn't recruit last.fm-users to fix some of these capitalisation-issues ... it would safe you moderators a lot of work and some users would consider it fun!

I agree with ghozza!

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[quote][b][user]marrs70[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]ghozza[/user][/b] said: i don't understand why last.fm doesn't recruit last.fm-users to fix some of these capitalisation-issues ... it would safe you moderators a lot of work and some users would consider it fun![/quote] I agree with ghozza![/quote]

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- Studogvetmed said...
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- 27 Aug 2008, 19:31
Done.

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[quote][b][user]Studogvetmed[/user][/b] said: Done.[/quote]

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- maulofsound said...
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- 27 Aug 2008, 19:54
marrs70 said:
ghozza said:
i don't understand why last.fm doesn't recruit last.fm-users to fix some of these capitalisation-issues ... it would safe you moderators a lot of work and some users would consider it fun!

I agree with ghozza!

isn't that what happens when they become moderators?

[quote][b][user]maulofsound[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]marrs70[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]ghozza[/user][/b] said: i don't understand why last.fm doesn't recruit last.fm-users to fix some of these capitalisation-issues ... it would safe you moderators a lot of work and some users would consider it fun![/quote] I agree with ghozza![/quote] isn't that what happens when they become moderators?[/quote]

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- muddyromantic said...
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- 27 Aug 2008, 21:08
You're Alright - You're Alright
Another Day - Another Day

[quote][b][user]muddyromantic[/user][/b] said: [track artist=SPC ECO]You're Alright[/track] - You're Alright [track artist=SPC ECO]Another Day[/track] - Another Day[/quote]

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- Studogvetmed said...
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- 27 Aug 2008, 21:15
Done

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- marrs70 said...
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- 27 Aug 2008, 21:51
http://www.last.fm/music/Gerard+Joling/_/24+uur+Verliefd => 24 uur verliefd
http://www.last.fm/music/Gerard+Joling/_/afscheid+nemen+doet+zo%27n+pijn => Afscheid nemen doet zo'n pijn
http://www.last.fm/music/Gerard+Joling/_/Alsof+Je+Bij+Me+Bent => Alsof je bij me bent
http://www.last.fm/music/Gerard+Joling/_/Bloedheet+%28Duet+Met+Patricia+Paay%29 => Bloedheet (duet met Patricia Paay)
http://www.last.fm/music/Gerard+Joling/_/Dan+Ben+Jij+Dat+Wel => Dan ben jij dat wel
http://www.last.fm/music/Gerard+Joling/_/Heb+Me+Lief+Alsjeblieft => Heb me lief alsjeblieft

Dutch capitalization standard

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[quote][b][user]marrs70[/user][/b] said: http://www.last.fm/music/Gerard+Joling/_/24+uur+Verliefd => [b]24 uur verliefd[/b] http://www.last.fm/music/Gerard+Joling/_/afscheid+nemen+doet+zo%27n+pijn => [b]Afscheid nemen doet zo'n pijn[/b] http://www.last.fm/music/Gerard+Joling/_/Alsof+Je+Bij+Me+Bent => [b]Alsof je bij me bent[/b] http://www.last.fm/music/Gerard+Joling/_/Bloedheet+%28Duet+Met+Patricia+Paay%29 => [b]Bloedheet (duet met Patricia Paay)[/b] http://www.last.fm/music/Gerard+Joling/_/Dan+Ben+Jij+Dat+Wel => [b]Dan ben jij dat wel[/b] http://www.last.fm/music/Gerard+Joling/_/Heb+Me+Lief+Alsjeblieft => [b]Heb me lief alsjeblieft[/b] [url=http://musicbrainz.org/doc/CapitalizationStandardDutch]Dutch capitalization standard[/url] [/quote]
Edited by marrs70 on 27 Aug 2008, 21:56

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- marrs70 said...
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- 27 Aug 2008, 21:54
http://www.last.fm/music/Madonna/_/La+Isla+Bonita => La isla bonita

French capitalization standard

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[quote][b][user]marrs70[/user][/b] said: http://www.last.fm/music/Madonna/_/La+Isla+Bonita => [b]La isla bonita[/b] [url=http://musicbrainz.org/doc/CapitalizationStandardFrench]French capitalization standard[/url][/quote]

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- ghozza said...
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- 27 Aug 2008, 23:16
Unbalanced Jack >>> Unbalanced Jack
Bileebob >>> Bileebob

marrs70 said:
http://www.last.fm/music/Madonna/_/La+Isla+Bonita => La isla bonita

French capitalization standard

That's not french but spanish ... :P lol .. your suggestion is correct btw

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[quote][b][user]ghozza[/user][/b] said: [artist]unbalanced jack[/artist] >>> Unbalanced Jack [artist]bileebob[/artist] >>> Bileebob [quote][b][user]marrs70[/user][/b] said: http://www.last.fm/music/Madonna/_/La+Isla+Bonita => [b]La isla bonita[/b] [url=http://musicbrainz.org/doc/CapitalizationStandardFrench]French capitalization standard[/url][/quote] That's not french but spanish ... :P lol .. your suggestion is correct btw [/quote]
Edited by ghozza on 28 Aug 2008, 18:44

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- maulofsound said...
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- 28 Aug 2008, 01:38
er, Pintandwefall is still all lowercase. musicbrainz sez Pintandwefall.

[quote][b][user]maulofsound[/user][/b] said: er, [artist]pintandwefall[/artist] is still all lowercase. musicbrainz sez Pintandwefall.[/quote]

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- muddyromantic said...
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- 28 Aug 2008, 02:45
Stone Throwers - Stone Throwers

[quote][b][user]muddyromantic[/user][/b] said: [track artist=Johnny Hollow]Stone Throwers[/track] - Stone Throwers[/quote]

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- GOTNOTIME4BS said...
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- 28 Aug 2008, 06:45
http://www.last.fm/music/Solange/_/DANCING+IN+THE+DARK

Should Be - Dancing in The Dark

[quote][b][user]GOTNOTIME4BS[/user][/b] said: http://www.last.fm/music/Solange/_/DANCING+IN+THE+DARK Should Be - Dancing in The Dark [/quote]

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- GOTNOTIME4BS said...
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- 28 Aug 2008, 06:55
http://www.last.fm/music/Janelle+Mon%C3%A1e/_/VIOLET+STARS+HAPPY+HUNTING%21

Violet Stars Happy Hunting

[quote][b][user]GOTNOTIME4BS[/user][/b] said: http://www.last.fm/music/Janelle+Mon%C3%A1e/_/VIOLET+STARS+HAPPY+HUNTING%21 Violet Stars Happy Hunting[/quote]

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- whiteve said...
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- 28 Aug 2008, 11:18
http://www.last.fm/music/Lard/_/i+wanna+be+a+drug+sniffing+dog is scrobbling with the lower case "i" even when correctly tagged with a capital I. both versions are in their charts =/

this is the correct one : http://www.last.fm/music/Lard/_/I+Wanna+be+a+Drug-Sniffing+Dog

[quote][b][user]whiteve[/user][/b] said: http://www.last.fm/music/Lard/_/i+wanna+be+a+drug+sniffing+dog is scrobbling with the lower case "i" even when correctly tagged with a capital I. both versions are in their charts =/ this is the correct one : http://www.last.fm/music/Lard/_/I+Wanna+be+a+Drug-Sniffing+Dog[/quote]

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- ziarczak said...
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- 28 Aug 2008, 11:30
http://www.last.fm/music/Navigators/_/empty+space

Should be: "Empty Space"

[quote][b][user]ziarczak[/user][/b] said: http://www.last.fm/music/Navigators/_/empty+space Should be: "Empty Space"[/quote]

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